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Reflection · 12-05-2009, 02:34 AM

Delete if you're smart

lostsister · 12-05-2009, 03:09 AM

Understand your concern,

but

Perhaps you could direct your Twin to us, he will no doubt be suffering a lot over all this..
both of you would do well to read this thread in its entirety
http://www.geneticsexualattraction.c...ead.php?t=1549
and as much of other peoples stories as you can.

DO not "Blow the Whistle" Please DONT

~if you read a bit more you will understand the depth of despair that GSA takes us to...

Your Brother and Niece need support and some serious
~hand holding~ to walk them through this..
Please bring them here...

LoVe
LoSt
SiSter

5Kmom · 12-05-2009, 10:44 AM

Dear Reflection: Please read Victor's post (#97 I believe) to Worried Dad's initial thread. Victor sums it all up exactly in the way I felt when I met my adult son for the first time. You correctly identified those feelings of bonding that you have with your infant daughter. Victor's post will help you move from that scenario to one where adults meet. While your brother's daughter was not truly an "adult" when they were reunited, the feelings that go with that connection are more adult than if she had been a small child.

You are also correct - it is a very sad situation. The pain of loss felt by both your brother and your niece may never be completely resolved. It appears that they continue to struggle with it now, even though they are together.

I'm glad that he is talking with you about this. It would have been a terrific help to me to have someone (other than my reunited son) to talk with about my feelings. Maybe, eventually, I would have been able to move through the reunion without behaving in a way that destroyed my family. I hope that you can continue to be there for them. You are already helping by finding this site and asking questions. Lost Sister is right - maybe your brother could come to the site and read the posts, express his own feelings and work through this situation with others that have "been there".

Best wishes -
5Kmom

sheiseverythingtome · 12-05-2009, 02:40 PM

Reflection, it is awesome that you posted here. It makes me feel great to have a twin brother who is looking out for me and my Dollface. Yes I am Reflections twin brother. He doesn't need to direct me to this site as I was the one who directed him here when Dollface and I came out of the GSA closet to him.
Reflection, we came out of the closet to you first for a couple of reasons. If I was harming Dollface in anyway, you would stop it and identify it and protect her from me if necessary. And though you are having mixed feelings about it you actually have more of an issue with me fighting with her over her "attempted normal relationship". You seem to understand everything else.
Now if you really really need to understand how I feel.... just imagine this.
I die tomorrow. Imagine that. Imagine that I am dead. Long gone and you wont see me again until you die and go to heaven. Imagine the grief. The pain that NEVER goes away. Years pass, you move on, but you carry the deepest sadness with you. (Which causes you to not have a normal life and make bad decisions because you simply CANNOT cope with the loss).
Then one day thirteen years later, out of the blue, I come back. I am alive again.
Wouldn't you treat me like every day was the last day with me?
Would you let me go for one second?
Wouldn't you try to make every second the most important one?
GSA is kinda like that.
Ok, now the sex part.... I see you don't understand.
But I've caught you checking out Dollface.
I've caught your son checking her out too.
You've got an over protection for her, even against me.
You WANT to be her hero.
AND she has told me that she has had fantasies about you, about us both and she thinks your son (my nephew) is very attractive.
Do you see whats going on?
GSA all around for our entire fucked up family.
Do you really, honestly need clarification about the sexual attraction? And if so, do you need it for Dollfaces best interest or to cope with something else going on inside of you. Please don't get angry. We said we would both be honest and open here and that this forum will be a tool to listen to each other without pounding each others faces in.

(such is the life of twin males)
You may deny your feelings for Dollface and think you just love her and are doing the right thing... I think the same way. When you think you need to protect her from me, I feel that way about the world. I get worried when you talk to her because I wonder if you are trying to turn her against me and are using GSA as an excuse. But I trust you. But I do notice a very small, tiniest hint of GSA between the two of you. But you know what, I'm ok with that. You are not some dumb teen aged boy she dated as an attempt to deal will GSA that ended up sexually assaulting her. You are her UNCLE. You love her unconditionally. There is a trust there for the two of you about me. And though I see her checking you out too and openly admits to having sexual fantasies about both of us (me and you) and you have a slightly overbearing protective nature about her. All is ok. Everything is fine. Dollface and I are controlled by our overpowering, even debilitating GSA feelings. I see and Dollface admits to having very small, quasi GSA for you and your son.
AND THAT IS A TOPIC ID LIKE TO GET INTO IN THESE FORUMS. Has anyone studied multiple family member GSA. Or does it seem that GSA can only afflict two people as a couple? I'd love to hear everyone's comments about that.
As far as sex goes, we will never talk about it. We deny it all the way, but does anyone know the truth? Of course you are assuming we are sexually active regardless of what we say, so does it even matter what we say? So we just mostly shut up about it and just try to reassure everyone that we are not sexual deviants. But you know what, even if we were doing it, we still wouldn't be deviants.
I know it seems like I'm trying to turn this all around on you, but the truth is that I see what I see and I think you have GSAish feelings for Dollface, but because you did raise two daughters and are not as close to Dollface as I am, you got it under control.
I know you are saying "WHAT! FUCK YOU! IM NORMAL! Don't even say I got feelings for Dollface! That's fucked up".
How do you think I felt when I first realized it.
Am I saying you and Dollface have a GSA relationship?.... no. I am saying that both of you have the slightest hint, almost non existent quasi-GSA feelings for each other.
You guys seem to turn to each other and instinctively trust each other when regarding me. You want to protect her from me. She feels safe and secure talking to you. What you don't see is that you tell yourself that I was a great Uncle to your kids. I was there when you couldn't be or they needed unbiased, non parental help. So you are just trying to be the same for your niece. It's close to what you have with Dollface, except for one thing.... I never looked at your children the way you look at Dollface because your kids weren't taken out of my life for thirteen years. Becuase remember; her mother didn't take her away from me, she took her away from all of us. Now I'm not saying you drool over her like a dog, but I KNOW you have thought about it. If you deny it, you lie, because of one simple thing we share as my twin bro, that subtle mind link we have when we know what the other is thinking and experiencing.
So I KNOW without a doubt you have very very small, tiny quasi-GSA feelings for Dollface. Like a gossamer cobweb in a gentle breeze. Something simple, harmless, caring and yet almost not there... like a single spiderweb strand brushed across your face in the dark basement when you are looking for answers. Reflection, I feel the same love and caring as you do, accept for one thing..... its not a gossamer cobweb blowing in a gentile breeze with her and I. Its a 5000 megaton mushroom cloud.
And the hidden truth about your username here "Reflection". On a topic about sexual attraction for a family member. "Reflection" what are you trying to say? Think about it.
Im not trying to accuse you or turn it around to make me look innocent. I don't think that you have ever thought "I belong in jail for my feelings for Dollface", I don't think you ever thought "It would be best for her if I wasn't around her", then try to kill yourself when they take her away. I dont think you ever thought "Am I perminantly damaging her just by loving her". I don't think you feel the same way as me.
But it's there. I see it.
So with that said. Do you think you're feelings for Dollface are unhealthy? Of course not.
Do you want to get her alone and ravage her like a cave man? Of course not.
Do you drool over her body? No.
But you have had fantasies that you quickly shut out of your own mind.
You want to understand how Dollface and I feel, read the next line and really think about it.....
I feel exactly like you feel, times 1000 to the 1000th power.
It dominates me and controls me.
You came here looking for answers. You're getting it from the horses mouth.
Do you understand now.
If you still don't. I think you either lie or are in denial because ultimately my twin bro, we feel and think what each other thinks. So if you really need to understand. Just use your psychic mind link (why does that sound more twisted than sexual feelings for a family member?) We can try to accept GSA but not psi powers between twins LOL.
Now Im rambling.
I think I've gotta get off the computer cuz Dollface wants to post.

sheiseverythingtome · 12-05-2009, 04:09 PM

I just reread my own post and instead of editing the whole thing, I should clarify something. I'm not saying you have GSA for Dollface. I'm saying something in between normal family feelings and GSA feelings are almost there but not quite. Like the spiderweb thing I said. You are in the dark basement of the world of incest, your flashlight is GSA resources and forums, you're telling yourself "This aint so bad" only because your flashlight makes you feel safe. You are searching and searching, and one single spiderweb strand sticks to your face as you move forward searching for answers, not even paying any attention to how it might effect you. And that spiderewb gives you a chill.
Ok, now mine and Dollfaces version of the same analogy.
Remember when Harry Potter was getting attacked by the giant spider and his dorky freind was tangled in the web and there was no way out as the spider was gonna eat them. That's what Dollface and I have.
I'm not even sure it was a Harry Potter movie.... it could have been Froto from lord of the rings. But you get the idea.
So now take what YOU feel for Dollface and turn it up so loud that it cracks concrete and you got how Dollface and I feel.

Victor · 12-05-2009, 05:39 PM

Ooo boy....this one's gonna get complicated. I'm going to hold back a few days to reflect on everything. I'll try to sort this out later and respond....if I think I even need to.

cedarforest · 12-05-2009, 06:16 PM

This whole thing really stinks, to me. I'm a defender of people who are overtaken by GSA, because I know it's real, & it ruins lives, & people who are in it's grip need help desperately. But we had better be careful about what we're willing to allow on this site. REMEMBER ICK, he'd have a field day over this. Just the language that's used, should be a huge red flag. A minor girl, allegations of her fantasys with "other family", all this is "over the top" for me. We don't need this. There's other sites that would be better suited for this outrage. This is my opinion, I certainly hope I'm not alone.--cedarforest

sheiseverythingtome · 12-05-2009, 06:47 PM

Hmmmmm, I think I may have given the wrong impression seeing everyones response. I'm not saying that we have a big family incest fest going on. I'm just saying I can see multiple attractions from Dollface to other male family members. It is very very, subtle and almost non existant. I bring it up not to have people all of a sudden judge it, but to analize it to better understand the nature of GSA. I also see a very subtle almost non existant form of it...if it even is it, from my twin brother to dollface.
Don't all of a sudden judge. WTF. No one in our family is even having sex. Many of you have kids with each other and live together as mates. My family is trying to deal with MINE and my DAUGHTERS pure non sexual GSA relationship. My daughter also has many other fantasies, we talk about them openly with each other. And to be honest I think every single girl that both me and my brother has ever dated has a fantasy about us both.
Now add GSA to the equasion and you get a tangled web.
You don't think I know this.
I realy thought the open minded people here would actually support and help understand this.
The thing is that with Dollface to other male members is that it is barely there.
Its not a bunch of horney rednecks trying to sneak out behind the barn and not let anyone else know.
Im actually quite aphauled with what is being implied by the responses.
Dollfaces uncle is a great guy. I don't think he has the hots for my daughter, but he does look at her very very endearing and he does check her out. He expresses this by being overly protective. I think thats great. He is a proud, noble and capable man. She also has a sense of saftey with him.
Add in the fact that they both think each other is attractive. But they are not awestruck or hopelessly in love with each other like Dollface and I. That is why I didn't say they had GSA for each other, but they had "almost non existant quasi GSA feelings for each other".
I'm not trying to start a fight with my brother. He wanted to understand. So Am saying that to look at his own feelings and turn them up and he'll understand.
What I am not saying is that they want to have sex with each other. To my knowledge they don't.
What I am looking for is comments without pointing fingers. When a support group for GSA couples starts pointing fingers, its very disheartening. You want the world to eccept us and change laws and public views, but my own GSA relationship has a twist from the "Normal GSA" relationship and all of a sudden "it stinks"?
As far as my language goes. I am a very blunt person. I call it as I see it, if I gave the wrong impression I appologize.
Isn't this sight about support, not accusations and assumptions?
I dont think anyone in our family wants to have sex with each other. I do think they we are hurt by separation and effected by mine and my daughters GSA relationship. I try to use contrast and elaborate with my descriptions because I am a blunt person and sometimes my words hit like a hammer... I try not to do that with poetics.
When I said the dark basement of incest. I didn't mean thatr me and Dollface was in a nasty incestuous relationship, I ment that to other people, as you all know, it apears that way to them.
I don't even think Reflection has GSA for Dollface. I think it is quite different, I even said that. But something is there, a shadow of GSA that almost doesnt even exist. Do you understand now.
I'm very dishearted by the judgemental comments. Dollface wants to post now.

Reflection · 12-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Delete if you're smart

heiseverythingtome · 12-05-2009, 07:44 PM

This is "Dollface" I have my own problems i want to discuss in a new thread that my Uncle referred to a bit, but this is the topic I am going to discuss right now. My Uncle is looking for advice no discouragement. It seems to me that that is what he is getting. I did get red in the face when I found out my Dad put my personal private feelings on the website, and to be honest I'm not very comfortable with it either. But whatever it's not a lie. I do have fantasies just like every one of us that walks this earth. I don't think I have GSA for my Uncle or cousin. But yes I do find them attractive just like I can say that my younger brother I grew up with during my childhood is a very handsome young man. Bottom line, NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can help there feelings or Imagination, It just depends on if they act on them or not. And in my case I haven't acted on anything I've just expressed myself.
Imagine If your GSA partner/lover had another one of them lets say a clone. How do you think you would feel about that? Come on are we being serious. I am not a perverted little nympho who want's to be intimate with all my male family members. I'm just Simply in love with my father and I can't help that. He's the only one I want, the only one I need, and I think without him I would die. Those are my feelings do think that is "Too much" too? We all know, well most of us here know what we feel for many different sorts of GSA relationships and I'm sure you've all wanted to post stuff on this sight but decided not too because It's "Too Much" Well my father DOES NOT think before he speaks, and yes what he posted is very very embarrassing to me and I never planned on letting my Uncle never ever know that. Oh well now he does, and you know what It's not a big deal because I don't have feelings for him. Not crush feelings not GSA feelings, not creepy weird feelings, I just Simply love my Uncle like a regular family member. But when there is a man that is identical to the man you love you tend to imagine about both of them.
For real WHAT EVER about minors how many of you actually are secretly or openly intimate with an under aged family members so don't even pull that BS Cedar I don't know If your in a GSA relationship or not, But just to let you know AGE DOES NOT APPLY OR MATTER. I'm not even having sex with my father or any body else. I've never given myself to anybody and I don't plan on it. I mine as well be a nun. Yea I'm in love with my dad. Yea I want to be with my dad for the rest of my life. Yea I have fantasies about my dad and all kinds of other things. But I think we all agree to rather have the fantasies than the real thing. I do Imagine spending the rest of my life with my father. Wondering what it would be like If we could get married and have kids and a "normal" life. But I don't think I would want that. I think I would rather express my real feelings and show people how I really feel then to give them a false perception of how I really am.
To be completely honest I am very intimate with my dad, but I don't even look at him as a father I honestly look at him just as my love, my one and only. He is my world. We do have close intimate moments. But we have never crossed the line, we have never done anything illegal. I want to be as close to my dad as I possibly can. Because I love it that way. That is the only time when nothing hurts. My life is very painful and he is the only one who can hold the pain off for a little while. It's like a pill, the stronger the dose of love the better I feel. I do not feel this way about anybody in my life as I do not ever want to feel this way about anybody in my life. He is my true love sex or no sex doesn't matter we just love, pure love. We do fight like father and daughter but we listen to each other, and then sometimes we don't. But no matter what in the end we just love each other and the rest of the world doesn't matter.
No offense but I'm close to eighteen and looking at some of your responses it screams. SHES JUST A KID. But no, sorry, wrong, I make my own decisions I want to be with my dad I love being with my dad. Yes technically he is my boyfriend, and mine as well be my husband. We take care of EACH OTHER. Through everything. Like I said before I am not just some little incestuous teenage nympho. I go to school, have a job, and live with my dearest love alone In OUR apartment that we take care of together. So get SHES JUST A KID out of your heads I live a very adult life and I always have. If you have read my story you would have some insight on that.
Well anyways I want to start that new thread because I need some advice of my own to help me with some things and I can't get the advice I need anywhere else, because I cant express the facts anywhere else. So see you in a post later.

Dollface.

12-05-2009, 02:34 AM	#1
Reflection Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7	to close for comfort Delete if you're smart Last edited by Reflection : 01-29-2010 at 06:40 PM.

12-05-2009, 03:09 AM	#2
lostsister Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 334	Welcome Understand your concern, but Perhaps you could direct your Twin to us, he will no doubt be suffering a lot over all this.. both of you would do well to read this thread in its entirety http://www.geneticsexualattraction.c...ead.php?t=1549 and as much of other peoples stories as you can. DO not "Blow the Whistle" Please DONT ~if you read a bit more you will understand the depth of despair that GSA takes us to... Your Brother and Niece need support and some serious ~hand holding~ to walk them through this.. Please bring them here... LoVe LoSt SiSter __________________ ~ L o V e is its own R E W A R D ~

12-05-2009, 02:40 PM	#4
sheiseverythingtome Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 21	Reflection, it is awesome that you posted here. It makes me feel great to have a twin brother who is looking out for me and my Dollface. Yes I am Reflections twin brother. He doesn't need to direct me to this site as I was the one who directed him here when Dollface and I came out of the GSA closet to him. Reflection, we came out of the closet to you first for a couple of reasons. If I was harming Dollface in anyway, you would stop it and identify it and protect her from me if necessary. And though you are having mixed feelings about it you actually have more of an issue with me fighting with her over her "attempted normal relationship". You seem to understand everything else. Now if you really really need to understand how I feel.... just imagine this. I die tomorrow. Imagine that. Imagine that I am dead. Long gone and you wont see me again until you die and go to heaven. Imagine the grief. The pain that NEVER goes away. Years pass, you move on, but you carry the deepest sadness with you. (Which causes you to not have a normal life and make bad decisions because you simply CANNOT cope with the loss). Then one day thirteen years later, out of the blue, I come back. I am alive again. Wouldn't you treat me like every day was the last day with me? Would you let me go for one second? Wouldn't you try to make every second the most important one? GSA is kinda like that. Ok, now the sex part.... I see you don't understand. But I've caught you checking out Dollface. I've caught your son checking her out too. You've got an over protection for her, even against me. You WANT to be her hero. AND she has told me that she has had fantasies about you, about us both and she thinks your son (my nephew) is very attractive. Do you see whats going on? GSA all around for our entire fucked up family. Do you really, honestly need clarification about the sexual attraction? And if so, do you need it for Dollfaces best interest or to cope with something else going on inside of you. Please don't get angry. We said we would both be honest and open here and that this forum will be a tool to listen to each other without pounding each others faces in. (such is the life of twin males) You may deny your feelings for Dollface and think you just love her and are doing the right thing... I think the same way. When you think you need to protect her from me, I feel that way about the world. I get worried when you talk to her because I wonder if you are trying to turn her against me and are using GSA as an excuse. But I trust you. But I do notice a very small, tiniest hint of GSA between the two of you. But you know what, I'm ok with that. You are not some dumb teen aged boy she dated as an attempt to deal will GSA that ended up sexually assaulting her. You are her UNCLE. You love her unconditionally. There is a trust there for the two of you about me. And though I see her checking you out too and openly admits to having sexual fantasies about both of us (me and you) and you have a slightly overbearing protective nature about her. All is ok. Everything is fine. Dollface and I are controlled by our overpowering, even debilitating GSA feelings. I see and Dollface admits to having very small, quasi GSA for you and your son. AND THAT IS A TOPIC ID LIKE TO GET INTO IN THESE FORUMS. Has anyone studied multiple family member GSA. Or does it seem that GSA can only afflict two people as a couple? I'd love to hear everyone's comments about that. As far as sex goes, we will never talk about it. We deny it all the way, but does anyone know the truth? Of course you are assuming we are sexually active regardless of what we say, so does it even matter what we say? So we just mostly shut up about it and just try to reassure everyone that we are not sexual deviants. But you know what, even if we were doing it, we still wouldn't be deviants. I know it seems like I'm trying to turn this all around on you, but the truth is that I see what I see and I think you have GSAish feelings for Dollface, but because you did raise two daughters and are not as close to Dollface as I am, you got it under control. I know you are saying "WHAT! FUCK YOU! IM NORMAL! Don't even say I got feelings for Dollface! That's fucked up". How do you think I felt when I first realized it. Am I saying you and Dollface have a GSA relationship?.... no. I am saying that both of you have the slightest hint, almost non existent quasi-GSA feelings for each other. You guys seem to turn to each other and instinctively trust each other when regarding me. You want to protect her from me. She feels safe and secure talking to you. What you don't see is that you tell yourself that I was a great Uncle to your kids. I was there when you couldn't be or they needed unbiased, non parental help. So you are just trying to be the same for your niece. It's close to what you have with Dollface, except for one thing.... I never looked at your children the way you look at Dollface because your kids weren't taken out of my life for thirteen years. Becuase remember; her mother didn't take her away from me, she took her away from all of us. Now I'm not saying you drool over her like a dog, but I KNOW you have thought about it. If you deny it, you lie, because of one simple thing we share as my twin bro, that subtle mind link we have when we know what the other is thinking and experiencing. So I KNOW without a doubt you have very very small, tiny quasi-GSA feelings for Dollface. Like a gossamer cobweb in a gentle breeze. Something simple, harmless, caring and yet almost not there... like a single spiderweb strand brushed across your face in the dark basement when you are looking for answers. Reflection, I feel the same love and caring as you do, accept for one thing..... its not a gossamer cobweb blowing in a gentile breeze with her and I. Its a 5000 megaton mushroom cloud. And the hidden truth about your username here "Reflection". On a topic about sexual attraction for a family member. "Reflection" what are you trying to say? Think about it. Im not trying to accuse you or turn it around to make me look innocent. I don't think that you have ever thought "I belong in jail for my feelings for Dollface", I don't think you ever thought "It would be best for her if I wasn't around her", then try to kill yourself when they take her away. I dont think you ever thought "Am I perminantly damaging her just by loving her". I don't think you feel the same way as me. But it's there. I see it. So with that said. Do you think you're feelings for Dollface are unhealthy? Of course not. Do you want to get her alone and ravage her like a cave man? Of course not. Do you drool over her body? No. But you have had fantasies that you quickly shut out of your own mind. You want to understand how Dollface and I feel, read the next line and really think about it..... I feel exactly like you feel, times 1000 to the 1000th power. It dominates me and controls me. You came here looking for answers. You're getting it from the horses mouth. Do you understand now. If you still don't. I think you either lie or are in denial because ultimately my twin bro, we feel and think what each other thinks. So if you really need to understand. Just use your psychic mind link (why does that sound more twisted than sexual feelings for a family member?) We can try to accept GSA but not psi powers between twins LOL. Now Im rambling. I think I've gotta get off the computer cuz Dollface wants to post. Last edited by sheiseverythingtome : 12-05-2009 at 03:55 PM.

12-05-2009, 04:09 PM	#5
sheiseverythingtome Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 21	I just reread my own post and instead of editing the whole thing, I should clarify something. I'm not saying you have GSA for Dollface. I'm saying something in between normal family feelings and GSA feelings are almost there but not quite. Like the spiderweb thing I said. You are in the dark basement of the world of incest, your flashlight is GSA resources and forums, you're telling yourself "This aint so bad" only because your flashlight makes you feel safe. You are searching and searching, and one single spiderweb strand sticks to your face as you move forward searching for answers, not even paying any attention to how it might effect you. And that spiderewb gives you a chill. Ok, now mine and Dollfaces version of the same analogy. Remember when Harry Potter was getting attacked by the giant spider and his dorky freind was tangled in the web and there was no way out as the spider was gonna eat them. That's what Dollface and I have. I'm not even sure it was a Harry Potter movie.... it could have been Froto from lord of the rings. But you get the idea. So now take what YOU feel for Dollface and turn it up so loud that it cracks concrete and you got how Dollface and I feel. Last edited by sheiseverythingtome : 12-05-2009 at 04:12 PM.

12-05-2009, 05:39 PM	#6
Victor Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 656	Ooo boy....this one's gonna get complicated. I'm going to hold back a few days to reflect on everything. I'll try to sort this out later and respond....if I think I even need to. __________________ Vic "The one that will not reason is a bigot; the one that cannot reason is an idiot and fool; but the one that dares not reason is a slave to the opinions of others."

12-05-2009, 10:44 AM	#3
5Kmom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	Dear Reflection: Please read Victor's post (#97 I believe) to Worried Dad's initial thread. Victor sums it all up exactly in the way I felt when I met my adult son for the first time. You correctly identified those feelings of bonding that you have with your infant daughter. Victor's post will help you move from that scenario to one where adults meet. While your brother's daughter was not truly an "adult" when they were reunited, the feelings that go with that connection are more adult than if she had been a small child. You are also correct - it is a very sad situation. The pain of loss felt by both your brother and your niece may never be completely resolved. It appears that they continue to struggle with it now, even though they are together. I'm glad that he is talking with you about this. It would have been a terrific help to me to have someone (other than my reunited son) to talk with about my feelings. Maybe, eventually, I would have been able to move through the reunion without behaving in a way that destroyed my family. I hope that you can continue to be there for them. You are already helping by finding this site and asking questions. Lost Sister is right - maybe your brother could come to the site and read the posts, express his own feelings and work through this situation with others that have "been there". Best wishes - 5Kmom

12-05-2009, 06:16 PM	#7
cedarforest Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 242	What's that smell This whole thing really stinks, to me. I'm a defender of people who are overtaken by GSA, because I know it's real, & it ruins lives, & people who are in it's grip need help desperately. But we had better be careful about what we're willing to allow on this site. REMEMBER ICK, he'd have a field day over this. Just the language that's used, should be a huge red flag. A minor girl, allegations of her fantasys with "other family", all this is "over the top" for me. We don't need this. There's other sites that would be better suited for this outrage. This is my opinion, I certainly hope I'm not alone.--cedarforest

12-05-2009, 06:47 PM	#8
sheiseverythingtome Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 21	Hmmmmm, I think I may have given the wrong impression seeing everyones response. I'm not saying that we have a big family incest fest going on. I'm just saying I can see multiple attractions from Dollface to other male family members. It is very very, subtle and almost non existant. I bring it up not to have people all of a sudden judge it, but to analize it to better understand the nature of GSA. I also see a very subtle almost non existant form of it...if it even is it, from my twin brother to dollface. Don't all of a sudden judge. WTF. No one in our family is even having sex. Many of you have kids with each other and live together as mates. My family is trying to deal with MINE and my DAUGHTERS pure non sexual GSA relationship. My daughter also has many other fantasies, we talk about them openly with each other. And to be honest I think every single girl that both me and my brother has ever dated has a fantasy about us both. Now add GSA to the equasion and you get a tangled web. You don't think I know this. I realy thought the open minded people here would actually support and help understand this. The thing is that with Dollface to other male members is that it is barely there. Its not a bunch of horney rednecks trying to sneak out behind the barn and not let anyone else know. Im actually quite aphauled with what is being implied by the responses. Dollfaces uncle is a great guy. I don't think he has the hots for my daughter, but he does look at her very very endearing and he does check her out. He expresses this by being overly protective. I think thats great. He is a proud, noble and capable man. She also has a sense of saftey with him. Add in the fact that they both think each other is attractive. But they are not awestruck or hopelessly in love with each other like Dollface and I. That is why I didn't say they had GSA for each other, but they had "almost non existant quasi GSA feelings for each other". I'm not trying to start a fight with my brother. He wanted to understand. So Am saying that to look at his own feelings and turn them up and he'll understand. What I am not saying is that they want to have sex with each other. To my knowledge they don't. What I am looking for is comments without pointing fingers. When a support group for GSA couples starts pointing fingers, its very disheartening. You want the world to eccept us and change laws and public views, but my own GSA relationship has a twist from the "Normal GSA" relationship and all of a sudden "it stinks"? As far as my language goes. I am a very blunt person. I call it as I see it, if I gave the wrong impression I appologize. Isn't this sight about support, not accusations and assumptions? I dont think anyone in our family wants to have sex with each other. I do think they we are hurt by separation and effected by mine and my daughters GSA relationship. I try to use contrast and elaborate with my descriptions because I am a blunt person and sometimes my words hit like a hammer... I try not to do that with poetics. When I said the dark basement of incest. I didn't mean thatr me and Dollface was in a nasty incestuous relationship, I ment that to other people, as you all know, it apears that way to them. I don't even think Reflection has GSA for Dollface. I think it is quite different, I even said that. But something is there, a shadow of GSA that almost doesnt even exist. Do you understand now. I'm very dishearted by the judgemental comments. Dollface wants to post now.

12-05-2009, 07:21 PM	#9
Reflection Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7	You smelt it you delt it. Delete if you're smart Last edited by Reflection : 01-29-2010 at 06:40 PM.

12-05-2009, 07:44 PM	#10
heiseverythingtome Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 9	This is "Dollface" I have my own problems i want to discuss in a new thread that my Uncle referred to a bit, but this is the topic I am going to discuss right now. My Uncle is looking for advice no discouragement. It seems to me that that is what he is getting. I did get red in the face when I found out my Dad put my personal private feelings on the website, and to be honest I'm not very comfortable with it either. But whatever it's not a lie. I do have fantasies just like every one of us that walks this earth. I don't think I have GSA for my Uncle or cousin. But yes I do find them attractive just like I can say that my younger brother I grew up with during my childhood is a very handsome young man. Bottom line, NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can help there feelings or Imagination, It just depends on if they act on them or not. And in my case I haven't acted on anything I've just expressed myself. Imagine If your GSA partner/lover had another one of them lets say a clone. How do you think you would feel about that? Come on are we being serious. I am not a perverted little nympho who want's to be intimate with all my male family members. I'm just Simply in love with my father and I can't help that. He's the only one I want, the only one I need, and I think without him I would die. Those are my feelings do think that is "Too much" too? We all know, well most of us here know what we feel for many different sorts of GSA relationships and I'm sure you've all wanted to post stuff on this sight but decided not too because It's "Too Much" Well my father DOES NOT think before he speaks, and yes what he posted is very very embarrassing to me and I never planned on letting my Uncle never ever know that. Oh well now he does, and you know what It's not a big deal because I don't have feelings for him. Not crush feelings not GSA feelings, not creepy weird feelings, I just Simply love my Uncle like a regular family member. But when there is a man that is identical to the man you love you tend to imagine about both of them. For real WHAT EVER about minors how many of you actually are secretly or openly intimate with an under aged family members so don't even pull that BS Cedar I don't know If your in a GSA relationship or not, But just to let you know AGE DOES NOT APPLY OR MATTER. I'm not even having sex with my father or any body else. I've never given myself to anybody and I don't plan on it. I mine as well be a nun. Yea I'm in love with my dad. Yea I want to be with my dad for the rest of my life. Yea I have fantasies about my dad and all kinds of other things. But I think we all agree to rather have the fantasies than the real thing. I do Imagine spending the rest of my life with my father. Wondering what it would be like If we could get married and have kids and a "normal" life. But I don't think I would want that. I think I would rather express my real feelings and show people how I really feel then to give them a false perception of how I really am. To be completely honest I am very intimate with my dad, but I don't even look at him as a father I honestly look at him just as my love, my one and only. He is my world. We do have close intimate moments. But we have never crossed the line, we have never done anything illegal. I want to be as close to my dad as I possibly can. Because I love it that way. That is the only time when nothing hurts. My life is very painful and he is the only one who can hold the pain off for a little while. It's like a pill, the stronger the dose of love the better I feel. I do not feel this way about anybody in my life as I do not ever want to feel this way about anybody in my life. He is my true love sex or no sex doesn't matter we just love, pure love. We do fight like father and daughter but we listen to each other, and then sometimes we don't. But no matter what in the end we just love each other and the rest of the world doesn't matter. No offense but I'm close to eighteen and looking at some of your responses it screams. SHES JUST A KID. But no, sorry, wrong, I make my own decisions I want to be with my dad I love being with my dad. Yes technically he is my boyfriend, and mine as well be my husband. We take care of EACH OTHER. Through everything. Like I said before I am not just some little incestuous teenage nympho. I go to school, have a job, and live with my dearest love alone In OUR apartment that we take care of together. So get SHES JUST A KID out of your heads I live a very adult life and I always have. If you have read my story you would have some insight on that. Well anyways I want to start that new thread because I need some advice of my own to help me with some things and I can't get the advice I need anywhere else, because I cant express the facts anywhere else. So see you in a post later. Dollface.

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