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lostsister · 09-24-2009, 05:06 PM

This is an Audio worth listening to, its good

Welcome to our New member Sally

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2009/200905/20090507.html

cbcpaul · 09-25-2009, 10:40 PM

Hmmmmm.... :-) This radio piece IMO gave the respect and dignity to GSA that is very much needed. It didn't use the drama of the GSA experience to thrill the listener. CBC's Aziza Sindhu did a great job putting it together.

Satan 's Sister · 09-26-2009, 12:57 AM

Thank you for posting this link. It was VERY interesting to hear GSA discussed in a public arena.

mermaid · 09-30-2009, 05:10 PM

I finally got the time and peace to listen to this - it was really useful to me to hear the wife's perspective. I was very impressed about how thoughtful and respectful the programme was.
Although I noted several times GSA was referred to as a consequence of reuniting...surely it's a consequence of being separated?...an intersting distinction I thought as the adults concerned have made a decision to reunite but they had no (or little) choice about separating.
Is anyone talking about how the boom of poeple who have been created (sorry not the right word but i can't think of the right one) as a result of sperm and egg donation?
m

lostsister · 09-30-2009, 05:46 PM

Dear Mermaid,

Interesting observations you have made...

Gsa can definately be called
" A consequence of Reunion after seperation..."
but
it cant be called
" THE consequence of Reunion after seperation."

GSA does not always occur where there has been a reunion.

and there is a key to be found in your Second pondered point.

I have recently been contacted by a Gentleman, who runs a forum and is very well versed in all things to do with Artifical Insemination.

Yes, it seems like a potential minefield, some men have given their semen, and "Fathered" or as I prefer to call it "sired" over 200 children

But suprisingly Thus far, there has been no cases of GSA emerging, despite it being over 40 years since The first successful story....

I used to think...Oh my gosh..just think what will happen in years to come, so many genetically related strangers out there, potential victims for future GSA

but then I did my own research and study....and came to the conclusion that there is ONE thing that will protect these people from Falling into the GSA Gloom.

( And you can all tell me to take againt leap now if you want..I dont care....Im here on this fourm, passionately looking for answers, and I wont be silenced for my opinions )

In every SINGLE case of Ai.....
the Embryo is planted into the WOMB of a mother,
who is wanting and welcoming her child.
The MOTHERS emotional state, is transferred into the child invitro.

That is to say...The Mother who has a child through Ai WANTS her CHILD without ever a negative thought entering her mind,
Thus the embryo grows
and emerges, into this world Welcomed, wanted and 100% A c c e p t e d.

GSA always always has issues of abandonment and rejection in the Emotional background of the afflicted.....

At some point in the Stage from zygot to embryo to feotus
the MOTHER has felt doubts about having her child....
She may have thought,
"Oh no im not ready for a baby,"
or
"Oh Cripes Im pregnant, how inconvenient"
or she may have even pondered, will "I keep this child, will I Kill it"
( sorry to be harsh, but just getting to the core here and it is the reality to abort a child is to kill it)
Or she may have been Forced to give her child up for adoption, in which case the baby feels and absorbs all her yearning and painful feelings of loss, as it grows...
There are so many scenarios that can occur that would cause a mother to be uncertain that she wants or is ready for her child...

THE BABY FEELS IT ALL FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION VIA THE MOTHERs thoughts

So......

and anyone can quote me here, or hold me to this in the future

There will be few if any Cases of GSA amongst Ai s, becasue they
are born into the world with emotional abundance not deficit.

And you may all think that this is my Opinion...

but its much more than that...

I KNOW iT !

mermaid · 09-30-2009, 06:06 PM

yes I guess that would be an element. Also i suppose lots of AI people don't get told that they are AI so wouldn't know or be able to check unless they had a DNA test.
...er I didn't say that GSA would be THE consequence......., I said A consequence
(and I suppose to be pedantic I did mean a POTENTIAL consequence) but my point was that even in a very sensitive piece the language used subtly laid some blame....and it laid it on people choosing to reunite not on the people and systems that casued the separation.

communityawareness · 09-30-2009, 06:14 PM

Question on thoughts of lost sisters.

I was conceived and wanted, both biological parents. I was planted into the womb of my mother wanted and welcome.
Carried full term and placed in the loving arms of my mum. Parents divorced when I was one. Still had a loving mum. No issues. Was bought up with a man who was my father figure. found bio dad. GSA kicked in.

There was no conscious thought in my mind of abandonment or rejection so I would have to say, in my opinion, I have to disagree with lost saying there is an issue of abondonment in all GSA cases. Mine was simply an issue of wondering what my "real" father was and wanting him to know his grandchildren.

I was born into an environment of emotional abundance not deficit. The deficit possibly set in a little when mum was going through a divorce but not due to lack of love for me more her own struggles. Mum and I have always had a close relationship and still do today.

Any thoughts on situations like my own where GSA set in?

lostsister · 09-30-2009, 06:18 PM

Dear Mermaid,

I wasnt actually quoting you,
I was just myself for the sake of my "Bombastic outrageous unresearched by Experts Claim"
Making a distinction.

And , If there is any blame to be placed on any one or any system,

I would blame it on HOW we, as HUMANS, view SEX.

We should all be thinking,
Having sex possibly bring a baby into this world,
and
If I am not ready to accept that a baby may come, a NEW Life that would be for ME to care for, and love and nuture,
then I should NOT be having SEX.

Even if one takes the utmost of precaution, and "accidentally" finds that a child is wanting to enter the world,
The Mother at least should be ~selfless~ enough to WANT and WELCOME this child ....

How can we as Humans be so Callous, and cold, selfish and overindulged that when gifted with the most blessed Miracle of all, we reject it?

lostsister · 09-30-2009, 06:42 PM

Dear Jen,

Actually I DO have some thoughts and insights, after thinking about this a while.

Firstly...My Comments were made with ~Ai~ being the focal point and why I dont believe that there will be too many instances of GSA in the future.

I think you would be unique amongst our members,
because pretty much everyone else here has suffered great feelings of rejection and abandonment, even self loathing and doubts.
If not in the womb then most certainly terribly when they were innocent children.

You say you have been spared of all that,because you had no "Conscious" thought of any Loss abandonment or rejection,

Abandonment and rejection issues remain as unconscious thought until the person in question starts behaving in such a way that causes other people or themselves to question that behaviour.

Typically a person with these issues will continue to manifest emotional crisis over and over in their lives, until they recognise that they are "missing" something,
then they begin to introspect and find a way to Heal
that "whats missing" Feeling.

Now I would definatley say that GSA is an emotional crisis
and you ,
whether you realised it or not, went looking for healing.
And you found it by facing the missing part, your father.

The fact that you had a Mutual Requited and Actioned GSA situation,
( know you hate my classifications)
Allowed you to heal.
This catagory can be the MOST healing loving and powerful of all.

Love
LoSt
SiSter

mermaid · 10-01-2009, 11:59 AM

In our case I would place some blame on my husband's bio grandmother who had her daughter (his mum) placed in care; on her forster carers who abused her; and on a system of virtually forced adoption that meant when she responded to the first person to show her affection and got pregnant, she cared for her baby for 6 weeks and then had no contact with him for 40 years. The GSA might not be the worst consequence of this....she has had difficult relationships with her subsequent children and they have issues in their lives.
I don't know whether you misunderstood me? I believe that blame is not helpful and I don't blame anyone involved in reuniting or expereincing GSA in any way.
I do think that we are responsible for our choices (within the range of choices open to us at the time) and I think that it is sensible for society to reflect on the consequences of the systems it puts in place to support vulnerable people.

09-24-2009, 05:06 PM	#1
lostsister Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 336	L i N K S This is an Audio worth listening to, its good Welcome to our New member Sally http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2009/200905/20090507.html __________________ ~ L o V e is its own R E W A R D ~ Last edited by lostsister : 09-25-2009 at 03:25 AM. Reason: Correction to Link

09-25-2009, 10:40 PM	#2
cbcpaul Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere in western Canada. Posts: 208	Hmmmmm.... :-) This radio piece IMO gave the respect and dignity to GSA that is very much needed. It didn't use the drama of the GSA experience to thrill the listener. CBC's Aziza Sindhu did a great job putting it together. __________________ Home, home again, I like to be here when I can. Last edited by cbcpaul : 09-25-2009 at 11:59 PM.

09-26-2009, 12:57 AM	#3
Satan 's Sister Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34	my thoughts Thank you for posting this link. It was VERY interesting to hear GSA discussed in a public arena. Last edited by Satan 's Sister : 03-15-2010 at 10:17 PM.

09-30-2009, 05:10 PM	#4
mermaid Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northern England, UK Posts: 296	wow I finally got the time and peace to listen to this - it was really useful to me to hear the wife's perspective. I was very impressed about how thoughtful and respectful the programme was. Although I noted several times GSA was referred to as a consequence of reuniting...surely it's a consequence of being separated?...an intersting distinction I thought as the adults concerned have made a decision to reunite but they had no (or little) choice about separating. Is anyone talking about how the boom of poeple who have been created (sorry not the right word but i can't think of the right one) as a result of sperm and egg donation? m __________________ mermaid

09-30-2009, 05:46 PM	#5
lostsister Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 336	Sperm BANK Boom ~ Artificial Insemination ~ Dear Mermaid, Interesting observations you have made... Gsa can definately be called " A consequence of Reunion after seperation..." but it cant be called " THE consequence of Reunion after seperation." GSA does not always occur where there has been a reunion. and there is a key to be found in your Second pondered point. I have recently been contacted by a Gentleman, who runs a forum and is very well versed in all things to do with Artifical Insemination. Yes, it seems like a potential minefield, some men have given their semen, and "Fathered" or as I prefer to call it "sired" over 200 children But suprisingly Thus far, there has been no cases of GSA emerging, despite it being over 40 years since The first successful story.... I used to think...Oh my gosh..just think what will happen in years to come, so many genetically related strangers out there, potential victims for future GSA but then I did my own research and study....and came to the conclusion that there is ONE thing that will protect these people from Falling into the GSA Gloom. ( And you can all tell me to take againt leap now if you want..I dont care....Im here on this fourm, passionately looking for answers, and I wont be silenced for my opinions ) In every SINGLE case of Ai..... the Embryo is planted into the WOMB of a mother, who is wanting and welcoming her child. The MOTHERS emotional state, is transferred into the child invitro. That is to say...The Mother who has a child through Ai WANTS her CHILD without ever a negative thought entering her mind, Thus the embryo grows and emerges, into this world Welcomed, wanted and 100% A c c e p t e d. GSA always always has issues of abandonment and rejection in the Emotional background of the afflicted..... At some point in the Stage from zygot to embryo to feotus the MOTHER has felt doubts about having her child.... She may have thought, "Oh no im not ready for a baby," or "Oh Cripes Im pregnant, how inconvenient" or she may have even pondered, will "I keep this child, will I Kill it" ( sorry to be harsh, but just getting to the core here and it is the reality to abort a child is to kill it) Or she may have been Forced to give her child up for adoption, in which case the baby feels and absorbs all her yearning and painful feelings of loss, as it grows... There are so many scenarios that can occur that would cause a mother to be uncertain that she wants or is ready for her child... THE BABY FEELS IT ALL FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION VIA THE MOTHERs thoughts So...... and anyone can quote me here, or hold me to this in the future There will be few if any Cases of GSA amongst Ai s, becasue they are born into the world with emotional abundance not deficit. And you may all think that this is my Opinion... but its much more than that... I KNOW iT ! __________________ ~ L o V e is its own R E W A R D ~ Last edited by lostsister : 09-30-2009 at 05:59 PM.

09-30-2009, 06:06 PM	#6
mermaid Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northern England, UK Posts: 296	ahhh yes I guess that would be an element. Also i suppose lots of AI people don't get told that they are AI so wouldn't know or be able to check unless they had a DNA test. ...er I didn't say that GSA would be THE consequence......., I said A consequence (and I suppose to be pedantic I did mean a POTENTIAL consequence) but my point was that even in a very sensitive piece the language used subtly laid some blame....and it laid it on people choosing to reunite not on the people and systems that casued the separation. __________________ mermaid

09-30-2009, 06:14 PM	#7
communityawareness Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 165	Question on thoughts of lost sisters. I was conceived and wanted, both biological parents. I was planted into the womb of my mother wanted and welcome. Carried full term and placed in the loving arms of my mum. Parents divorced when I was one. Still had a loving mum. No issues. Was bought up with a man who was my father figure. found bio dad. GSA kicked in. There was no conscious thought in my mind of abandonment or rejection so I would have to say, in my opinion, I have to disagree with lost saying there is an issue of abondonment in all GSA cases. Mine was simply an issue of wondering what my "real" father was and wanting him to know his grandchildren. I was born into an environment of emotional abundance not deficit. The deficit possibly set in a little when mum was going through a divorce but not due to lack of love for me more her own struggles. Mum and I have always had a close relationship and still do today. Any thoughts on situations like my own where GSA set in?

09-30-2009, 06:18 PM	#8
lostsister Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 336	Dear Mermaid, I wasnt actually quoting you, I was just myself for the sake of my "Bombastic outrageous unresearched by Experts Claim" Making a distinction. And , If there is any blame to be placed on any one or any system, I would blame it on HOW we, as HUMANS, view SEX. We should all be thinking, Having sex possibly bring a baby into this world, and If I am not ready to accept that a baby may come, a NEW Life that would be for ME to care for, and love and nuture, then I should NOT be having SEX. Even if one takes the utmost of precaution, and "accidentally" finds that a child is wanting to enter the world, The Mother at least should be ~selfless~ enough to WANT and WELCOME this child .... How can we as Humans be so Callous, and cold, selfish and overindulged that when gifted with the most blessed Miracle of all, we reject it? __________________ ~ L o V e is its own R E W A R D ~ Last edited by lostsister : 09-30-2009 at 06:31 PM.

09-30-2009, 06:42 PM	#9
lostsister Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 336	Dear Jen, Actually I DO have some thoughts and insights, after thinking about this a while. Firstly...My Comments were made with ~Ai~ being the focal point and why I dont believe that there will be too many instances of GSA in the future. I think you would be unique amongst our members, because pretty much everyone else here has suffered great feelings of rejection and abandonment, even self loathing and doubts. If not in the womb then most certainly terribly when they were innocent children. You say you have been spared of all that,because you had no "Conscious" thought of any Loss abandonment or rejection, Abandonment and rejection issues remain as unconscious thought until the person in question starts behaving in such a way that causes other people or themselves to question that behaviour. Typically a person with these issues will continue to manifest emotional crisis over and over in their lives, until they recognise that they are "missing" something, then they begin to introspect and find a way to Heal that "whats missing" Feeling. Now I would definatley say that GSA is an emotional crisis and you , whether you realised it or not, went looking for healing. And you found it by facing the missing part, your father. The fact that you had a Mutual Requited and Actioned GSA situation, ( know you hate my classifications) Allowed you to heal. This catagory can be the MOST healing loving and powerful of all. Love LoSt SiSter __________________ ~ L o V e is its own R E W A R D ~ Last edited by lostsister : 10-01-2009 at 03:57 AM.

10-01-2009, 11:59 AM	#10
mermaid Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northern England, UK Posts: 296	blame In our case I would place some blame on my husband's bio grandmother who had her daughter (his mum) placed in care; on her forster carers who abused her; and on a system of virtually forced adoption that meant when she responded to the first person to show her affection and got pregnant, she cared for her baby for 6 weeks and then had no contact with him for 40 years. The GSA might not be the worst consequence of this....she has had difficult relationships with her subsequent children and they have issues in their lives. I don't know whether you misunderstood me? I believe that blame is not helpful and I don't blame anyone involved in reuniting or expereincing GSA in any way. I do think that we are responsible for our choices (within the range of choices open to us at the time) and I think that it is sensible for society to reflect on the consequences of the systems it puts in place to support vulnerable people. __________________ mermaid

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